If you will not have God…

TS EliotIf you will not have God . . .
you should pay your respects
to Hitler or Stalin.
– T. S. Eliot

4 thoughts on “If you will not have God…

  1. Hitler? Like in, the Catholic, Theist, Providence-Believing, Creationist Hitler? Honestly, I never quite got why someone brings this up, except to make a fool out of himself by proving two things:

    a) You do not have a clue about arguments, because you think a association fallacy actually makes an argument.
    b) You do not know enough about history to claim that Hitler was an atheist. I suggest silently leaving him out of it, hoping nobody will bring him up, concentrating on failing just by a), by adding Mao, for example.


  2. Okay. In Hitler there was deep hatred and hostility to Christianity. There was animosity towards God. He did speak and write about God, and in a nation as theistic as Germany, it was good political propaganda. However, it appears he did not identify himself atheist. I concede you that point.
    However, George Orwell, a contemporary of Hitler and Stalin, who watched them in action from the other side of the English Channel, confessed that he along with many others (like Voltaire, Rousseau, Shelley, Byron, Shaw, etc) had been sawing off the branch of belief in God, and they were now witnessing what it looked when God, transcendent moral values, and a Biblical basis for the dignity of man were discarded.
    As Orwell put it: “For two hundred years we had sawed and sawed and sawed at the branch we were sitting on. And in the end, much more suddenly than anyone had foreseen, our efforts were rewarded, and down we came. But unfortunately there had been a little mistake. The thing at the bottom was not a bed of roses after all, it was a cesspool full of barbed wire.”
    He made a connection between the rejection of God and the horrific atrocities in Europe. He was aghast when he saw people taking his ideas to their ultimate conclusion.
    Probably you are a decent, good living person. As an atheist (which I presume you are) you do not like to be classified with Hitler. I don’t blame you. It doesn’t appeal to me either.
    I doubt that you are sleeping with your neighbour’s wives, stealing their cars, and hacking their bank accounts.
    Fear of consequences would no doubt discourage you, but the idea of no God, no judgement, no afterlife, no ultimate moral law would do little to hold you back should you be thus inclined.
    Polish writer, Czeslaw Milosz, put it this way: “Religion used to be the opium of the people. To those suffering humiliation, pain, illness, and serfdom, religion promised the reward of an after life. But now, we are witnessing a transformation, a true opium of the people is the belief in nothingness after death, the huge solace, the huge comfort of thinking that for our betrayals, our greed, our cowardice, our murders, we are not going to be judged.”
    Your life is probably light years away from that of Hitler and Stalin. But they simply carried your worldview to its ultimate conclusion. And you haven’t.


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